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OK, everyone wants to know what happened between this group starting and the old group closing. All I can tell you is how this group began, anything to do with Shirley or the old group closing was her choice.

Everything started on September 18,  I had pasted a link on the Tobri members group wall to something that people were asking questions about. These were genuine questions from people who are losing their homes and trying to feed their families. The link was not an affiliate link it was a direct link to direct questions. Shirley deleted the link and the conversation of people asking for help, after which she then booted me from the group and then de-friended me.

I can man up here and say I got ticked off, Hell I was Pissed… I posted a message on my personal Facebook wall. I did NOT mention her name or the Tobri group’s name anywhere in the message and as I said it was posted on my personal FB wall. All I did was make a statement that I felt was correct. Was I a bit harsh, or mean YES, was I saying what tons of others were thinking Yes, and I know this because of the messages of support I received after I started the new group.

At this point Shirley copied the message from my wall and posted it on the Tobri Members group wall. I know she thinks I was drunk because of what I posted on my personal page only because she told everyone I was drunk when I posted it, but I was stone cold sober. I was just Pissed!

The original group was created to the best of my knowledge by Ken to help marketers and make an Impact. Not to rub everyone’s tummy and make them all feel good. There is a time and place and when friends need to talk that is all great but that is what the group was becoming, nothing more than Lollipops and Rainbows and that is not marketing.

There are people there who need real help and were not getting it because she would delete their post if it wasn’t inline with her views on how her group should be run. Soooo, I started the new group later that night and I had 70+ people join on their own without me adding anyone within the first hour.

Once word got out that this new Tobri group really was a group for marketers by marketers, then people wanted in and the messages started coming in faster and faster. I know she also thinks I pulled people from her group but I did not.  I just sent a message to a few people I thought would be interested and itself replicated that quick.

Now new people everyday are coming to the group on their own and through other friends of theirs recommendations. Shirley sent me some messages and we talked back and forth for a few minutes. All of which I will gladly post here if people are really that concerned. But I told her my full intention was to create a spin off group where people could market and post links and not be banned from the group or punished for asking for help.

Pictures of Birthday cakes are great but when people are in financial trouble they are looking for help not a picture of a cake. As I said above all these things are great but people need help and that was all this new group was ever meant to be. I was NOT trying to take down Shirley’s group I was only trying to create an extension of it. One for the birthdays and well wishes and the other for the marketers. She got extremely upset with me and felt I was in the wrong she didn’t want to hear any explanations and wanted me to delete the new group and leave her and her friends alone. Even thought I was friends with more than 80% of her FB friends.

I invited her to join us in the new group and offered her to be an Admin in the group, she refused and wanted nothing to do with it. From what I have been able to figure out she went though and deleted anyone who joined the new Tobri marketers group from her original Tobri group.  As Vickie Sayce said to me (Well, it seems that Shirley thought that I was in cahoots with you. She unfriended me and kicked me out of my own dang group. How about that? )

After all of this transpired I have no idea what happened to Shirley, I have no ill will toward her and I would love to have her as a part of this group, but that is her choice. If I have to change the name from Tobri to something else I will if it would make her happy or if it would make Ken’s life easier.  Look I am no angel and I’m not trying to look like one, I can be a Big Asshole at times and I know this and people who know me know this.

But one thing I can say is this group here was created to help the people in this group who are in the process of loosing their homes and those who need to help putting food on their table. That is the only reason,  there is no other reason. I am here to help and the current admins are here to help. My intention was never to put Ken McArthur in a bad position here in the group, I hold the man with the highest regards. If her wants the name changed then so be it if he does not want to be an admin then fine. I still have the highest respect for him and everything I have learned from him.

But do not attack him when he had nothing to do with this, Any questions should be directed to me and me alone.

I know I haven’t been around the last few days but it is because my wife’s mother is dying of cervical cancer which has spread to her liver, lungs and pancreas. And we are trying to make her last days as comfortable as we can.

Once again Any questions should be directed to me and me alone.